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  Governing Body has a system in place to cash in?

  by adjusted knowledge in

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  2. friends

  so i recently attended a few meetings in the last 30 days.

  i've not been in over a decade.

  as posted in an earlier topic, i still have a few family members in.

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  Indian Larry

  @Whathappened. - Do you have any proof of a member of the GB driving a Bently? I would be very interested in that. Which member, what year car, who paid for it etc.
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  Having It Both Ways

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i posted this 10 years ago.

  here is an updated version fresh for the 2012 holidays :.

  1. jehovahs witnesses claim to have no clergy and hence are supposed to be totally unlike christendoms' rulers who get special reverence and lord it over their brothers.

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  Indian Larry

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  Is this new donation arrangement for real?

  by nugget in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just read a post on jwsurvey about the new donation arrangement.

  congregations are to pledge a monthly amount to be sent to the society to fund the building of assembly halls and kingdom halls.

  congregations who already have a loan from the society will no longer have to pay back the loan but the amount pledged should not be less than the current monthly repayments to the society.

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  Indian Larry

  @Bella - My wife told me they passed a form like that around at her hall last year. I do believe it is accurate.
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  I made my daughters cry last night.....

  by Ugottabefresh in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  ...when i told them i didn't believe anymore.

  they cried like i'd never seen before.

  my oldest, 10, pleaded with me that she'd do anything to get me to keep going to meetings ("i'll get a's on my report card!").

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  Indian Larry

  Ugggh. I feel your pain. My advice for what it is worth, go very slowly. Make sure they know without a doubt that you love them. Be a good person and be the best father you can be they will come around.

  I have always been very close with my daughter, closer than most Dads. I stopped going to meetings several years ago. She goes with her mother. Things were ok until a couple of years ago, she is now in her mid-teens (a difficult time in any parents life) and will soon be getting baptized.

  I don't really have a problem with baptism in general, however I do have a big problem with baptism into this organization. This means I will have to go to a circut assembly, my first in several years, to be there for her.

  Believe me, I am NOT looking forward to this at all but she needs to know I will always be there for her, and I will. Even if I don't want to.

  Just remember you are still their father, they will still love you. I think it is best just to do a good fade and not get the whole DF thing mixed in.
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  Does anyone know what is happening with Italy's (Rome) Bethel???

  by LoisLane looking for Superman in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there are rumors out, that the italy (rome) bethel is being shut down and putting out to pasture a large portion of the bethel staff.. has anyone heard anything... ?.

  the word is that everyone but the most senior members will be let go.

  the senior bethel family members will be reassigned.

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  Indian Larry

  Wow! A couple of months after Morris's visit they get order to shut it down. I am going to assume that the GB is aware of http://proclamatoreconsapevole.blogspot.com and is not very happy about it to say the least.
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  1914 - "A Turning Point In History"?

  by Bobcat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the february 2014 public wt has a cover series of articles dealing with world war i, and by inference 1914. the articles describe wwi as 'causing the world to be changed' and as "a turning point in history.".

  setting the wt's defective 1914 chronology aside for a minute, how do these statements about wwi coincide with the view of the nt?.

  certainly wwi was a big war.

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  Indian Larry

  1914 was a "turning point" invented after the fact to explain why they were not raptured to heaven that year. One time out of curiosity when I was researching 1914 and I realized that thier cronology was 20 years off I looked up what happened in 1934. You can make just as good of a point for 1934 as 1914. For instance:

  • 1934 was the year that Hitler became “Furher” of Germany.

  • In December of 1934 Joseph Stalin started the purges which ultimately cost the lives of up to 20 million of his own countrymen. (including millions of Jews)

  • Hitler vowed to exterminate Jehovah’s people. In October of 1934 he screamed to his Reich Minister of the interior about the Bible Students: “This brood will be exterminated in Germany!”

  • In 1934 the prominent Nazi propagandist Ernst Bergmann published his work Die 25 Thesen der Deutschreligion (Twenty-five Points of the German Religion) It publicly claimed that Adolph Hitler is the new messiah sent to earth to save the world from the Jews . It also taught that Christ was not a Jew but a Nordic warrior put to death by Jews, and whose death spared the world from Jewish domination.

  • September 1934 Hitler declared that the Nazi’s will reign for 1000 years. He bragged that the 3rd Reich would be a 1000 year Reich or new Holy Roman Empire.

  • October of 1934 Hitler secretly expanded the Army and Navy and established the German Air Force. This act broke the Treaty of Versailles virtually guaranteeing war.

  • 1934 Inspectorate of Concentration Camps is established , headed by Theodore Eicke, laying the groundwork for the persecution of Jehovah’s Witnesses as well as the extermination of six million Jews.
  • Most interesting is the fact that it was in October of 1934 that Hitler vowed to exterminate Jehovah’s Witnesses, putting into place the machinery that would lead to the concentration camps.

  • Italy Invaded Ethiopia in a precursor to WW2

  • On October 7th of 1934 Witnesses worldwide sent 20,000 letters and telegrams of protest to Hitler.

  Not that I believe either date has any significance at all, it is just curious how you can make history fit your view if you want to. And Rutherford wanted to.
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  Resurrection Of The Earthly Class

  by sojourner7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  can anyone tell me what the wt teaches about the resurrection of the earthly class?

  do they get completely different bodies or is it a resurrection of the present body?

  also, since most of scripture is written for the annointed class, and the annointed class are supposed to go to heaven in spirit bodies, how do they handle romans 8:11?.

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  Indian Larry

  "They use 1 Cor. 15:50 (Flesh & Blood CANNOT inherit the Kingdom of God) to dupe JWs into thinking that the heavenly hope is not open to them."

  Ask them to explain how the parable of the sheep and the goats. Jesus said “When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him,then he will sit down on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. “Then the King will say to those on his right: ‘Come, you who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world."

  Do they think they are a sheep or a goat. If they are a sheep then they should "inherit the Kingdom" but they think they will have human bodies of flesh and blood. They can't have it both ways. . . . . . well, actually they can. That is the problem.
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  What other religious groups are ...

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  b) teach conditional salvation based primarily on faith in christ?.

  c) refuse eternal torment in a literal fiery hell?.

  d) refuse the immortality of the soul?.

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  Indian Larry

  http://lhim.org/aboutus/statementofbeliefs.php
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  2013 WT CD Library?

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  will the wts be issuing one (or has issued onne already?

  ) or will the www.jw.org online library be the future?.

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  Indian Larry

  St. George, can you upload the CD library to Pirate Bay so we can all torrent it? Drives my family nuts when I have it before them.
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  podcast recommendations?

  by Captain Blithering in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a splendid morning to all you good chaps and chapesses in internetland!

  i already listen to 'the human bible' , 'healingxjw' , 'infinite monkey cage' , 'doctor karl' ,(aussie dude, great science show) , but im on the lookout for more podcasts to subscribe to, science, bible, apologetics, comedy, you know the stuff...

  any suggestions?

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  Indian Larry

  I highly reccomend the following podcasts (podcast name in quotes":

  "The Apologetic Front" - Episode2

  "Unbelievable" with Justin Brierly is excellent

  "Truth Matters" - Very good one.

  And don't miss "Theopologetics" episode #9 #51 #50 #93 #106 - These are VERY interesting. Listen in order. Let me know what you think.